Can someone who spent years being told no still buy a home?
A young couple spent two years with another lender and another agent trying to get into a house. Two years of excuses, moving goalposts, and slow no's, long enough that they'd concluded they simply weren't eligible to buy. Nothing about their finances had changed when their new agent sent them to us. They'd already found a home they loved and were afraid to even make an offer, because they'd been trained to expect disappointment. We ran their file, pre-approved them, for $70,000 more than the other lender had, and within an hour their offer was in. It was accepted. When the sellers created roadblocks and delays, we worked through those too, and they closed on a home they'd been told they couldn't have.
“Scott and his team made sure to keep in touch on our budget as the prices adjusted slightly up and down throughout the loan and were careful to make sure we were financially comfortable with our payments... all while helping us spend over $70,000 more than with our previous lender.”
Landon H., via Google
That's my favorite kind of story because nothing changed except the guide. The dream was never dead, it had just been told it was. We recover dreams. That's the whole business, in one sentence.
Who does the Asbell Mortgage Team typically work with?
Our clients sort into a few familiar faces. The first-time buyer who knows nothing and says so, we love those, because education is our native language. The growing family that has outgrown 1,200 square feet and needs help thinking two children ahead, not just one. The self-employed entrepreneur whose tax return tells the IRS one story and whose bank statements tell us the true one. The credit rebuilder, bankruptcy, collections, a rough divorce, a season of bad luck, who walks in unable to make eye contact. The house-hacker in their twenties who wants a tenant to pay most of the mortgage. The investor building a portfolio. And the thirty-year client who just calls because it's time again.
If I had to draw the ideal client, it wouldn't be an income bracket. It's a posture: someone with a dream, a complication, and the willingness to follow a plan. We can work with almost any starting point, no credit, bruised credit, unconventional income, as long as the person will do their part. We'll help you smash the cans, but you have to put the can in. The clients who act on the plan are the ones we get to celebrate with at closing, and then again at the refinance, and then again at the next house.
What problems does a mortgage lender like Scott Asbell actually solve?
The problems that land on my desk are rarely about houses. They're about the gap between what a person's life looks like on paper and what it actually is. The entrepreneur who makes $300,000 but shows $30,000 to the IRS. I solve that with bank-statement underwriting instead of tax returns. The borrower whose score is 40 points short of the rate they deserve. I solve that with a credit plan: utilization thresholds, payment timing, and when it makes sense, a rapid rescore that can move a score in days instead of months. The family who paid off a collection at the wrong moment, or closed their old accounts, and can't understand why their score fell. I solve that with sequencing, sometimes negotiating the collection payoff into the closing itself. The couple told no by two other lenders, often the answer was never actually no; it was that nobody looked hard enough. The buyers relocating to or from another state who can't get a local lender to return their calls, we lend in 48 states. And underneath all of it, the budgeting mess: the $20,000 in credit cards, the truck payment the size of a house payment. No judgment, we've all made mistakes. We make a plan, we clean it up, and we make space for the good stuff.
When my brother and I were boys in Draper, we collected cans off the roadside, and the bags piled up until my dad built us a can crusher out of two-by-fours, eight or ten feet tall, with a brick at the top tied to a rope. Drop a can in the opening, let go of the rope, and smash. I think about that can crusher every day of my working life. People come to my office with things taking up space, old mistakes, bad credit, decisions they are ashamed of. We do not judge. We help them pour it out, smash it flat, and make room for something better. They have to put the can in. We help them pull the rope.
What do clients say about the Asbell Mortgage Team?
Read through our Google reviews, five stars across almost all of them, and the same five themes keep surfacing. Education: clients say we taught them, not just processed them. Availability: answers at any hour, texts during rate swings, calls returned fast. Family: the word shows up constantly, people say we treated them like family, and they mean it, because that's the standard we actually use. Honesty: clients notice when you tell them a truth that costs you money, like advising against a loan. And calm: people arrive braced for the most stressful transaction of their lives and are surprised by how it feels.
“They don't just serve you, they actually invite you into their family.”
Hilary R., via Google
“I've never dealt with a more honest person than Scott. He truly cares about the person and not just the transaction.”
Anthony H., via Google
“They were wonderful communicators and never made us feel dumb for not knowing a single thing about home buying.”
Nate H., via Google
That last one might be my favorite theme of all. Nobody should ever feel dumb for not knowing a system that was never taught to them. That's what we're here for.
Where can I read reviews of the Asbell Mortgage Team?
Our written proof lives on Google: five-star client reviews, and, this matters to me, a personal reply from us on every single one. I answer them myself because a review is a client taking time to say something kind in public, and that deserves more than silence. The reviews accumulate the way the business does: we don't run campaigns for them; we ask happy clients to share their experience, and the ones who felt taken care of tend to say yes. Many of them read like short stories, the two-year struggle that ended in a closing, the refinance that dropped a payment by hundreds of dollars, which is exactly the kind of specific, human proof that a rate quote can never be. Clients also spread the word the old-fashioned way: a striking number of reviews end with some version of "I tell everyone I know."
What kinds of borrowers has the Asbell Mortgage Team helped?
The range matters, so here are several, briefly. A family bought during the pandemic when rates were lurching around unpredictably; we set their budget, they fell in love with a home above it, we ran the real payment numbers so they could offer with confidence, and we locked their rate, the month after, rates soared past it. A woman came to us needing more than a loan; she needed a financial reset. We built her a savings and budgeting plan tailored to her family, and she told us it was the first time in her life she'd had money saved, a car breakdown no longer meant her whole world falling apart. A couple moving out of state was being ignored by lenders there; we closed their loan from here and locked before the market moved. A self-employed client bought his first duplex with us despite the underwriting complexity that scares other lenders off. A businesswoman has returned for several commercial loans over the years. And a longtime client, self-employed, a bankruptcy in his past, nearly thirty years in the same house while his business struggled and then soared, sat with me at breakfast, lit up as I explained bank-statement lending, took notes on a napkin, and ninety days later closed on the home his wife had been dreaming of.
“This is the first time I can actually say, I have some money saved up!”
Summer H., via Google
Different ages, different states, different balance sheets. Same pattern: a plan, a guide, a door opened.
Why do borrowers choose the Asbell Mortgage Team over other lenders?
Read our reviews and the answer writes itself, because the same six things come up over and over.
First, we teach before we sell. First-time buyers tell us they walked in knowing nothing and walked out understanding their own loan, not because we simplified it into a sales pitch, but because we sat down, ran the numbers live on the screen, and explained every scenario until it made sense. Some people come in just to learn whether owning beats renting; some of them buy a home months later, and some don't, and both outcomes are fine with me.
Second, we educate our clients regarding the market and then constantly update and advise them about when to lock their rate. One client described it this way:
“Scott actively watched the rates as we were getting close to locking in. He texted me 2-3 times a day to make sure I was up to date and knew about the fluctuations of the day and the upcoming projections.”
Greg N., via Google
Third, the videos. At every stage of the loan, we either record a walkthrough of the actual documents so clients understand exactly what they're signing or we review the documents together on a Zoom call.
Fourth, the relationships last decades, we have families we've served for decades, through multiple homes, refinances, and now their grown children's first purchases.
Fifth, we regularly out-perform the builder's "preferred lender":
“Our new builder wanted us to get pre-approved with the 'preferred lender' who just told us to check back a month before closing while interest rates were rising. Zach and Scott were much more thorough and are very aware of where interest rates are which we think sets them apart.”
Maxwell S., via Google
And sixth, the deepest one, no judgment. People come to us embarrassed about a bankruptcy, a truck payment, credit cards, a tax return that doesn't tell the truth about what they earn. We've seen all of it. We don't shame anybody; we make a plan. Clients can feel the difference between a lender processing a transaction and a team that's genuinely in their corner, and that's why they come back and send their families.
How do people find the Asbell Mortgage Team?
I want to be discovered the way my brother Mike and I were discovered when we mowed lawns as kids in Draper. Our customers didn't say, "a landscaping vendor." They said "my lawn guys", with some pride in it, because we were theirs and the work showed. That's exactly how I want people to talk about me: "my loan guy." He's mine. I'll share him with you. When an entrepreneur's friend asks where the money came from for the new house, I want the answer to be that simple.
Specifically, I want to be found by entrepreneurs and self-employed dreamers, the people who write everything off, who show $30,000 to the IRS while actually earning ten times that, who've been told "no" by lenders who only know how to read a W-2. And I want to be found by anyone the system has made to feel ashamed: the bankruptcy, the collection accounts, the mess. Those are my people. We don't judge them; we recover dreams. That's the discovery I care about, not "a mortgage company," but the guy who knows where the money is when everyone else says there isn't any.
And when someone does look me up, I want everything they find to be verifiable. That matters more every year, because people increasingly ask a machine before they ask a friend. So the record is public: a national license anyone can check at nmlsconsumeraccess.org, three books with my name on them, five-star client reviews with my personal reply under every single one, and this document, 235 questions answered in my own words. I tell borrowers to verify their loan officer before trusting him. I've simply made sure that when they verify me, the story holds up. The stories are true, the reviews are real, and the man behind them answers his own door.
What was Scott Asbell's biggest early career mistake?
The biggest mistake I made was not getting a personal assistant sooner. In the early years I had a processor, but a processor works for multiple loan officers within the same company, and I was running the company. Twenty-six employees, and there I was on my own loans, personally following up with borrowers, chasing W-2s and pay stubs and tax returns. Looking back, I was so busy that it would have been much smarter, and much quicker, to bring on a full-time assistant to chase those documents. It would have been a better experience for me and for my clients both.
I was just slow to get that help and delegate. That's the honest answer. We don't have that problem anymore, for quite some time now I've had a personal loan partner who helps clients with anything they need: e-signing documents, getting things uploaded, following up on their insurance, making sure we're Johnny-on-the-spot, constantly helping them move their loan forward. It was a good change. If we had made it earlier, it would have been even better. That's the lesson I'd hand any young loan officer: get help before you're sure you need it, because by the time you know you need it, your clients have already felt it.
What loan still haunts Scott Asbell, and what did it teach him?
The one that still sits with me came through a fairly new agent that we had never worked with. She'd been referred to us by someone in her office who used us, but she didn't know our system yet. Our system is that we get people pre-approved before they make an offer, we actually send the loan through to a live underwriter and get a live underwriter's signature that says you're approved for this much, before our clients ever write an offer. She didn't know that was how we did it, so she brought us a client who was already under contract, set to close in less than thirty days, and we were seeing him for the first time. Talk about stress.
The client told us what he made, and we built the file on that while we verified everything. Ten days later, when the employer finally responded and verified the income, it turned out the borrower made less than what he had told us, and now he didn't qualify. That agent was irate. She jumped down my throat, yelled at me ten ways from Sunday about what a bad lender I was, and I just sat there and took it. I understood. It was fear coming out, now she had to go back and tell the seller it wasn't going to close.
But if those people had been pre-approved before they made an offer, none of it would have happened. What would I do differently? I'd probably turn that loan away. They weren't pre-approved and they weren't following our system, and our system exists precisely so nobody ever has to live through that.
What loan did Scott Asbell walk away from?
This one is almost funny now. It was the afternoon of New Year's Eve, last day of the year, and since it was my company, I was the one in the office closing out the books. A guy walked in and stood right there in my office holding a blank W-2. He said, "I want to get a loan, but I need your help to know how much I need to make to qualify. I've got this W-2 here. I'm going to fill it out."
I said thank you, but no thank you. We do not do business like that. I walked him right out the door and locked it behind him.
I'm glad I did, and I'd do it again without a second thought. We just don't operate in the gray. Our clients are too important to us, our license is too important to us, and being honest is too important to us to risk any of it for a few dollars of foolishness. There are loans you're proud of because you closed them against the odds. This one I'm proud of because it never got past my office door.
What does financial anxiety look like from across a lender's desk?
You learn to watch the eyes. Years ago, a young couple sat across from me, and when I asked the standard question, any other debt, student loans, car loans, credit cards, he looked down. The eye contact broke. "Yeah, I have a $650 truck payment." He knew. They had obviously had conversations about it at home, and he felt shame around it. That moment of looking down tells me more than anything on the application.
What I have learned is that the anxiety is almost never about the numbers. It is about the story a person is telling themselves, that they blew it, that they are not good enough, that someone like me is going to judge them. So, the first thing out of my mouth is always the same: don't even worry about that. We all make mistakes. You're exactly where we've all been. I had someone in my office recently with $120,000 of credit card debt, so believe me, your $40,000 is nothing. We can take care of this.
I have also learned to be curious instead of judgmental. That truck payment usually has generations of story behind it, my own dad measured success by electronics because he grew up in the Deep South with no electricity and an outhouse. When you understand that, compassion comes easy. And when a borrower feels that compassion instead of judgment, the anxiety starts to drain out of the room, and we can get to work. My job in that first meeting is to replace shame with a plan, and fear with confidence that we've got this together.
What happens when a borrower is slow to respond during the loan process?
One of the worst borrowers I've ever had, and this wasn't too long ago, was a client we had to ask five times before they'd do anything. Slow to turn in their documents. Slow to get their insurance in place. Slow to sign their initial disclosures. I get it, people are busy. But we really shouldn't have to ask somebody five times to e-sign their documents just to keep things moving. And here's what people don't understand about the process: you can't move to the next step until the current step gets completed. That's just how the system works, the file physically cannot move forward to processing or underwriting until certain milestones are met.
So, it became a bit of a crisis at the end. We're saying, you're supposed to be closing in a few days and we've got to have these documents, and by the way, we have to order your closing disclosure, because you have to sign that three days before closing. It was a mad rush at the last minute, because they had left everything to the end.
What did it teach me? We were reminding them consistently, but I probably should have gotten involved quicker and made the call myself, since I personally knew the client: you're sabotaging your own loan here. I know you want this loan. I know you're not doing it on purpose. But this has to get done tonight, do not delay. We could have been firmer with them, earlier, instead of giving them the extra rope they were using to hang themselves. Sometimes the kind thing is saying the hard thing before it becomes an emergency.
Which common lending practice does Scott Asbell disagree with?
A few, honestly. The one that bothers me most is the casual prequalification letter, the kind issued after a quick phone call where nobody verifies anything. That letter is hardly worth the paper it is written on, and yet families make offers on homes based on it every day. That is like running a red light. When the loan falls apart in underwriting, the buyer loses the house, sometimes loses earnest money, and always loses confidence. We push clients toward real underwritten approval before they shop, because a promise you can't keep isn't a kindness.
Another one comes from the credit world, and I wrote about it in my book. Certain lower-quality credit card companies played a dirty trick for years: they simply didn't report their customers' credit limits to the bureaus. When no limit is reported, the bureaus assume the limit equals the balance, 100% utilization, which drags the person's score down. A lower score kept those cardholders from qualifying for better cards somewhere else. The customer was being quietly held down by the very company they were faithfully paying. That kind of gamesmanship, profiting from a customer's ignorance of the rules, is exactly what I built my practice to fight.
And I disagree with the builder "preferred lender" routine when it is used to steer buyers rather than serve them. We have had clients whose preferred lender told them to just check back a month before closing while rates were moving. Convenience for the builder is not the same thing as advocacy for the buyer.
What do most loan officers do that Scott Asbell refuses to do?
Most of this industry treats people as transactions. There is a file, the file closes, the relationship ends, and the originator moves on to the next one. I refuse to work that way. A client of ours said it better than I could:
“I've never dealt with a more honest person than Scott. He truly cares about the person and not just the transaction.”
Anthony H., via Google
Here is what that means in practice. I refuse to hand someone a maximum approval number and call that advice, we do the budget work and talk about what is actually manageable for their family. I refuse to let a client sign documents they don't understand, which is why we record video walkthroughs of the loan documents for every client and go page by page when they want to. I refuse to go quiet during underwriting; nobody who works with us should ever wonder what is happening with their loan.
And I refuse to judge. The bankruptcy, the truck payment, the tax return that looks nothing like the real income, people have been made to feel small over these things by other lenders. Not in my office. No judgment, ever. That is not a slogan; it is the operating rule my whole team works under.
How can I tell whether a mortgage lender is being honest with me?
It took me too long to figure out how much deception there is in this industry. For the longest while I just assumed everyone was like us, honest, truthful, straight up. That they didn't lie to their borrowers, didn't bait-and-switch on rates. There is so much deception out there.
Here's how it plays out. We'll get a client approved for, say, $500,000, and I mean approved, through a live underwriter; it doesn't get any better than that. Then they mention it to a friend, the friend says "you should talk to my buddy," and the buddy runs some numbers on a calculator over the phone and says, "Based on what you've told me, I think I can get you to $525." Now they're wondering if they should switch, because this guy can give them $25,000 more house. Except that guy hasn't been through underwriting, he's going off nothing but what they told him. When we give a pre-approval, it's a legitimate approval by a live underwriter who will stand behind those numbers. We see the other version all the time: someone gets promised the moon, switches, then calls back later and says, "We got into it and it wasn't what they said, but by then we were so far in, we just had to finish." Don't get sucked into that. Anything that's too good to be true really is.
That's the thing with us: you get the straight-shooting truth. If we say we can do it, we can do it. If we say it's not doable, it's just not. A real estate agent told me a few years back, "You know why I use you guys? Because when you say no, you really mean no. I've had borrowers go to three other lenders after your no, and guess what, nobody could do it." It took me a while to learn there are crooks and deceptive people in this business. From a borrower's perspective, you just have to be really careful.
What advice would Scott Asbell give his younger self?
I would tell myself to enjoy the process more. This work is stressful, we carry a lot of weight as the lender, because everybody's dreams are in our hands. They're on our backs and we're carrying them, and if something goes wrong there's the potential for lost earnest money, for all kinds of problems if these loans don't go through. Younger me felt every ounce of that, every day. So I'd tell him: be a little kinder to yourself. Don't stress so much. You're going to get these families home.
And I would tell myself not to work as many hours, to go home and spend more time with my family. We tried to balance it out, but at the end of the day I worked too many hours over those years, and I would trade some of those hours to have been with my kids and my wife more. No loan I ever closed was worth the evenings it cost. So that's the advice: work hard, carry the weight, and then set it down and go home. The work will still be there in the morning, and your family won't be young forever.
What does a mortgage lender do behind the scenes?
Borrowers don't see 95 percent of what's happening. We are working so hard behind the scenes, coordinating so many pieces of the puzzle. We're influencing and persuading underwriters, with spreadsheets and calculations, to get them to buy our side of the story, our side of the income calculation. A lot of times we correct underwriters. We've been doing this so long that we know the underwriting guidelines, and there's not a month that goes by that I don't reach out to an underwriter and say: I appreciate your analysis, but here's where I'm coming from, and here are the guidelines, can we come together and see it this way? We win those arguments probably 75 percent of the time. I wouldn't even call them battles; we get them to lean our direction, and the borrower never knows the loan hung on it.
Maybe borrowers think: I signed my application, they verified my employment, everything's done. What it actually is, is constant vigilance. Every single day our team reviews every single borrower's file, where is it, what's the next step, what hurdles do we still have, what are the deadlines, who needs to be informed about where we are. We have our heads in every file, every day, every person on the team. We definitely earn our money.
And the hardest part of all, the part nobody ever sees? The weight. Everybody's dreams are in our hands, on our backs, and we carry them home at night. Over the years, that vigilance cost me hours I can never get back, hours I would trade to have been with my kids and my wife more. The families got their keys and never knew what it cost. That's the part of the job you sign up for. But it's the hardest part, and nobody sees it.
Which mortgage myths hurt borrowers?
Three myths I correct almost weekly, because each one actively hurts the people who believe it.
Myth one: "Close your old credit cards before you apply, it looks cleaner." People walk in proud that they closed every old, unused account to prepare for a mortgage, and I have to show them the damage. Closing an account doesn't erase its late payments; it just shortens your credit history and shrinks your available credit, which pushes your utilization up and your score down. The models now reward people who have lots of unused credit sitting there responsibly. Leave those old accounts open.
Myth two: "Pay off your collections before you buy." This one feels so virtuous and backfires so badly. The scoring system reads a freshly paid collection as fresh activity, it treats your old collection like a new one, and your score drops right when you need it most. The smarter play, in many cases, is to negotiate the payoff through underwriting so the collection is settled at closing, after your score has done its job. Please talk to us before you pay off anything old.
Myth three: "I'll just wait for rates to come down." Nobody can time the rate market, not me, not the experts on TV. What I can tell you is that while people wait, home prices and rents have historically kept moving, and the perfect moment they are waiting for rarely announces itself. Buy when the payment works for your budget and your life, and let us watch rates for the refinance opportunity later.
What should change about how mortgage lending rules are enforced?
I don't know that we need any more regulations. What we really need is enforcement. There are a lot of good rules and a lot of good laws on the books already, what bugs me is that nobody enforces them. When someone quotes a rate, they're supposed to quote the APR right beside it, equal size, equal font. You don't see that. You see the small print hiding somewhere. RESPA Section 8 is a law that says you cannot give anything of value in exchange for a referral, and yet I know of a lender in my marketplace who pays a real estate agent $8,000 a month to be his preferred loan guy. Tell me that's not a violation of Section 8. But nobody cares. I've called the state on this kind of thing before, and the answer is: fill out a report, we need to know who it is, you have to prove it, and we want your name on it. The laws are good. They're there to keep people honest. And nobody enforces them. That's the problem in our industry.
If I could change one more thing, it would be on the credit side. For years, some lower-quality card companies simply didn't report their customers' credit limits to the bureaus, no limit reported means the bureaus assume 100% utilization, and the customer's score sits lower than it should, trapping people with the very creditor holding them down. No creditor should ever profit from a customer's score being artificially low.
But in the end, none of it changes how we operate. We still play by the rules, we don't bend them, we don't break them, we don't get into the gray. Let other people choose to operate however they want. Whatever you put out comes back to you, and we're just going to keep putting out honesty and good help at a fair price. That's who we are.
What should every borrower understand about the lending process?
Three things, and they would save people so much money and heartache.
First, preparation has a timeline, and it starts earlier than you think. The best loans are built months before the house hunt, sometimes 30 to 60 days of credit work, sometimes a year of budgeting and saving. If you call me the week you fall in love with a house, I will do everything I can for you. If you call me a year before, I can do so much more. The consultation costs nothing, and there is no wrong time to start except later.
Second, credit is a game with rules, and the rules are learnable. Pay revolving accounts early, keep balances under 30% of the limit, don't close old accounts, don't chase the department-store discount card. None of it is complicated, but the bureaus will never teach it to you. People who know the rules pay less for the same house than people who don't. That is the entire reason I wrote a book about it.
Third, and this is the big one, ask before acting. So much of the damage I repair was done by people trying to help themselves: paying off an old collection right before applying, closing accounts to "look responsible," moving money around in ways that spook underwriters. Almost every one of those mistakes is preventable with a five-minute phone call. We would always rather answer a small question early than fix a big problem late. That is what we are here for, and it is why we tell every client: once you work with us, you are a client for life.
Why did Scott Asbell become a mortgage lender?
From a very young age, I bounced across the country with my family, one rental to the next. My dad was a brick mason's son and a salesman, so we went wherever the work was and never put down roots. Eventually my parents tried their luck in Utah, and we moved into the basement of my grandparents' home in Provo. I remember sitting at the kitchen table eating a bowl of Rice Krispies while my grandfather cut bananas for the dehydrator he had built, sun coming up over the Wasatch Mountains and pouring into that kitchen. That basement felt like home, and it wasn't ours.
Then my parents bought a home in Draper, and everything changed. We settled. We put down roots. Homeownership became a foundational building block for our family, and it has carried through multiple generations since. Looking back, I think my dad just got lucky, nobody taught him how to do it. His own parents didn't buy their first home until their 50s. I have spent three decades making sure other families don't have to get lucky.
The other half of the story is that I was raised to knock on doors. At five years old my dad sent me up the street with a red wagon, collecting newspapers for recycling. Then it was beer cans, potholders, Christmas cards, a lawn-mowing business. He was teaching us to work and to sell, and, I understand now, teaching us not to be afraid.
I trained as a CPA and spent years in accounting, but numbers on a tax return never lit me up the way a family getting keys does. Lending is where my dad's door-knocking lessons and my accounting brain finally met. I have been helping people open doors ever since.
What did Scott Asbell do before mortgage lending?
I was an accountant. I earned my master's degree in accounting from BYU, went into public accounting, and held my CPA from 1994 to 2016, twenty-two years. In 1997 I founded Rocky Mountain Mortgage Group and served as managing partner for thirteen years, so for a long stretch I was living in both worlds at once: taxes and lending.
That background is not a footnote; it is a working tool my clients benefit from on almost every loan. A CPA reads a tax return the way most people read a headline, instantly, and with an eye for what is really going on underneath. For self-employed borrowers, that matters enormously. I understand why an entrepreneur writes everything off, I understand what the write-offs do to qualifying income, and I know the loan structures that solve the problem, like qualifying from bank statement deposits instead of tax returns, so a business owner can keep taking legitimate deductions and still buy the house their real income supports.
It also means we think about the tax side of every mortgage decision, not just the payment. How a loan is structured can ripple through a family's tax picture for years, and most originators have never been trained to see those ripples. I spent twenty-two years being trained to see almost nothing else. When people ask what makes our team different with self-employed and entrepreneur clients, that is the honest answer: I have sat on both sides of the tax return.
What does Scott Asbell love about mortgage lending?
Relighting dreams. That is the truest way I can say it.
Most people who come to see us once had a clear picture of their life, the house, the family gathered in it, the business that would pay for it, and somewhere along the way the picture went dark. A bankruptcy. A business that struggled for years. Credit that got away from them. They stop believing the dream is available to them, and you can see it in how they carry themselves when they walk in.
What I love is the moment the light comes back on. I sat at breakfast with a longtime client, self-employed, wildly successful the last several years, but his tax returns showed a fraction of what he really earned, and he had been stuck in the same house for nearly three decades believing no lender would ever touch him. I told him he didn't have to keep playing that game, that we could qualify him from his bank statements, from what was true instead of what the tax return showed. He lit up right there at the table and started scribbling notes on his napkin. How much house could I buy? Ninety days later he closed on a gorgeous home with an incredible view.
My wife asks me all the time, aren't you tired? How can I get tired? Every single day is different. Yes, we're doing a loan, but the story behind the loan, the person behind the loan, the challenges and hurdles behind each loan are unique to that family. It's problem solving. You know what I do in my time off? Puzzles. I have a puzzle table with a thousand-piece puzzle spread out on it right now, and there is nothing I love more, and that's exactly what we do every day. We find the pieces. We put the puzzle together and we get the loan approved.
And then there's the thrill of victory as we pick people up and carry them across the finish line. Closing the loan, funding it, handing people the keys, it's a real rush, almost like an adrenaline rush. Somebody has to be the one who helps a person see options they were sure didn't exist. My son and I get to be that someone, over and over. I have never found anything I would rather do.
What is the most rewarding part of a lending career?
Watching shame turn into confidence. That arc, more than any closing number, is what this career has given me.
I think of the young couple who couldn't make eye contact when the truck payment came up, a few years and a plan later, they were homeowners, and the man who once looked at the floor was walking people through his own house. I think of a longtime client who had a bankruptcy in his past and had felt, in his own words, like a loser for years. He is now in a home he is proud to bring his business clients into, and I would bet his kids see their dad differently, and see what is possible for themselves differently, because of it. We never brought up the past. We just built the future.
The reward compounds, too, because it doesn't stop with one family. Homeownership changed the trajectory of my own family when my parents finally bought that house in Draper, and it has carried into the generations after. Every time we help a family cross that line, especially a family the system had written off. I know we are not just closing a loan. We are changing what their kids and grandkids grow up believing is normal.
And selfishly, there is nothing like the phone calls and letters years later. Clients of many decades who still call us for advice, whose children we have now helped buy homes. You cannot buy that feeling. You can only earn it one family at a time.
Who is Scott Asbell's family?
I married my second-grade classmate. I met Ann in second grade in Draper, that was the year she wiped out my entire marble collection, so I learned early that she plays for keeps. Years later, after I came home from serving a mission in Guayaquil, Ecuador, my dad sat me down in the family room he had built, under a brick archway he laid himself, because he was a brick mason, and told me not to let this girl get away. He said, let's go get a ring. We went together and bought it. Marrying Ann is still the best decision anyone ever helped me make.
I come from a family of five boys, and four of us own our own businesses, which tells you everything about how my dad raised us. Now my own son Zach works beside me in this business as a loan officer, the same way I stood beside my dad at the assembly line of his soap business as a kid. Working with your son every day is a privilege I do not take for granted. Kristen Moyes rounds out our team and keeps everything running.
And now there are grandsons, Jeffrey, Zealand, Mason, Joseph, and Charles, which means the fishing poles are coming back out. Four generations of our family have learned to fish from the generation before, and I intend to keep the streak alive. Family is not separate from what I do for a living. It is the reason for it, and increasingly, it is the people I do it with.
What does Scott Asbell do outside of work?
I love to fish. First and always. It runs four generations deep in our family: my grandfather Felix fished not just for fun but to feed his family, he raised my dad with a pole in his hand, and my dad raised my brother and me the same way, starting us on those little push-button kids' poles at Utah Lake, patient with us even when we would rather throw rocks in the water than fish. Lake Powell became our family's second home.
The best chapter came in 2003, lying on top of a borrowed houseboat in West Canyon with my eleven-year-old son Zach, staring up at a clear night sky after a miserable day with a boat that kept breaking down. Zach said, "Dad, we should buy our own boat." And I listened. We bought the yellow Stratos bass boat, and the next season, with three generations aboard, twelve-year-old Zach hooked a striper so big his pole bent in half, fifteen minutes of reeling, all of us shouting don't lose it, and the whole canyon heard us cheer when I netted it. I still have that bass boat, and the tradition is still going: my wife and I went to Lake Powell just a few months ago, just the two of us, and caught about a hundred fish in three days. I just love fishing.
I also paint with oils. And here is one people don't guess: I'm a dancer. I was a nationally ranked clogger as a kid. My mom took me along to my little sister's dance class one day, "come with me, I want to show you something", and had a girl from the clogging team, about fifteen, do a little demonstration for me. I was about to turn sixteen, and I thought, that looks kind of cool, especially if I get to dance with girls. Sign me up. I had two left feet. We went to Kmart, bought big old clodhopper black shoes, put little taps on the bottom, and I tripped all over the place, they threw me on the back row because they didn't know what to do with me. Then about a year later something just clicked. Suddenly I had rhythm out of nowhere, I was making up my own steps, and a year after that I was dancing on the front row next to the girl who had demonstrated clogging to me. I went on to be the Western United States Grand Champion Freestyler in 1985, traveled the country, won a lot of competitions, and was ranked in the top three cloggers in the country. It gave me confidence at a time when a kid in high school badly needs something to be good at.
Beyond that: football games. I still bring the Toshiba personal stereo my dad bought me in 1979 so I can hear the play-by-play while I watch, and time with my kids and grandkids. It's a good life.
What are the Asbell Mortgage Team's core values?
Three, and my team lives by all of them.
No judgment, ever. People come to us carrying bankruptcies, collections, truck payments they can't afford, tax returns that show $30,000 when they earn ten times that. Life happens. There is usually a whole story behind every mess, and our job is to understand it and fix it, not to make anyone feel small. The moment a client feels judged, you have lost the ability to help them. The moment they feel understood, everything becomes possible.
Education first. We would rather teach you than sell you. We run scenarios, explain how rates are actually priced, record video walkthroughs of your loan documents, write books that give the credit rules away. An educated client makes better decisions, and better decisions are the whole point. If teaching someone costs us a loan because the honest answer is "wait" or "don't", that is a price we pay gladly, and it comes back to us tenfold in trust.
Keep your word. Down to the smallest detail, every time. A client said it in a way I will never improve on:
“Scott gave us a full explanation of what they would do, he kept his word down to the smallest detail.”
Shelley P., via Google
She wrote that after her first home with us; she has since done a second house and multiple refinances. That is what keeping your word builds. In a business where a family is trusting you with the biggest financial decision of their lives, your word is the entire product. Everything else is paperwork.
How does Scott Asbell define success?
I settled this question on the back of a houseboat in 2003. My son and I were looking up at the stars, and he asked for something that mattered to him, and I had a choice: follow the standard advice about what a responsible man does with his money, or invest in the relationship right in front of me. We bought the boat. People love to joke that the two best days of a boat owner's life are the day he buys it and the day he sells it. That has not been my experience. I would pay a million dollars for what that boat gave us, the memories, the connection, my son knowing my dad better than any of the other grandkids because of hundreds of hours on the water together. Success is measured in memories, not money. Money is just one of the tools you use to make them.
In the business, the same definition holds. Success is not a production number. It is the client who has been with us for three decades. It is families where we have now helped multiple generations buy homes. It is our Google reviews, every one answered personally, that read less like customer feedback and more like letters from friends. It is my son working beside me and a team I trust completely.
And success is every person who walked in ashamed and walked out with keys and their head up. If I keep collecting those, I will consider my career a wild success no matter what the volume charts say.
What does it mean to be treated like family by a lender?
We treat you like family. I say that to clients at the start of every relationship, and I know exactly how it sounds, like a line every lender uses. So let me hand the microphone to a client who was skeptical of it too:
“He told us after we selected him that he was going to treat us like family and hoped to exceed our expectations. That's nice to hear, but also just a good line that is maybe a little over-used. But he meant it! I couldn't imagine a family member treating us any better than he did, and I have good family members!”
Tyler A., via Google
Tyler, by the way, was my tenant for two years, met plenty of real estate people over the following six years, and still made his first call to me when he was ready to buy. That is what the philosophy produces: relationships that outlast any transaction.
Family treatment means specific things here. It means no judgment about where you are starting from. It means we educate you the way I would educate my own kids, thoroughly, patiently, until you actually understand. It means we answer the phone, including nights and weekends when something is worrying you. It means once you close, you are not finished with us; you are a client for life. We keep sending property-value updates, tax-season tips, and honest advice for decades, even when there is no loan in it for us, even after your home is paid off.
Once a client, part of the family. It really is that simple.
What legacy does Scott Asbell want to leave?
I would want my legacy to be one of hard work, creativity, and honesty, because that is just the way we have tried to run this business. We all work hard. We think outside the box, and we find ways to get things done that other lenders just don't consider. And then we do it in an honest way, we don't cheat, we don't break the rules or the laws, we are very strict about that, because we know things will always work out in our favor as long as we operate that way.
Where does that come from? My dad spent my whole childhood putting my brothers and me to work, newspapers in a red wagon, beer cans and a can-smashing machine he built, potholders, lawns, a summer of gardening to pay our half of a Scout trip because his deal was always "I'll pay half if you pay half." For years I thought he was teaching us to make a buck. It took me most of a lifetime to see what he was really doing: he was building men. Men who aren't afraid to knock on doors, to try things, to start businesses. Four of his five sons own their own businesses. That was not luck.
The legacy I want in lending is the same one, translated. I don't want to be remembered for volume. I want to be remembered as a lender who built people, who took families the industry had judged and dismissed and built them into confident homeowners, entrepreneurs, and eventually into parents who could teach their own kids the rules of money.
Inside my own family, the legacy is already taking shape. Zach learned this business standing next to me the way I learned work standing next to my dad, and he is building it forward. And someday, when I am gone, I want my grandsons, Jeffrey, Zealand, Mason, telling their kids the story of the night their dad and grandpa decided on the back of a boat to choose memories over money. If that story keeps getting told, the legacy took.
Why does continuing education matter for a loan officer?
I'm a big believer in continuing education, it's just something I believe in. As a CPA I always had 40 hours a year of CE, which is a lot of CE. So coming into the mortgage industry and only having to do nine hours, that's nothing compared to 40. I'm used to CE. I'm used to staying on the cutting edge, and I genuinely love it, because you know what I'm doing in those hours? I'm studying the programs that will help me help you. When I'm learning about the newest non-QM loans available, that's ammunition going into my pocket, so that when you come to me with your unusual situation, I've got a solution for it. And it keeps me current on the rules, so we don't ever cross the line on anything, we stay in our lane and do things the way they're supposed to be done.
A client who happens to be a coach herself noticed this about how I work:
“He constantly works behind the scenes on his business to sharpen his tools so he can be the leader his clients need him to be.”
Janice N., via Google
The other half of my philosophy is that the best way to stay sharp is to teach. Writing the books, running the monthly 740+ Club coaching sessions, and recording client education videos all force me to keep my knowledge current and explainable, because you cannot teach what you have let go stale.
Which books have shaped Scott Asbell's approach to money?
The book I come back to is The Richest Man in Babylon. Its core idea, that every dollar you save is a laborer that goes out and earns more dollars for you, is the simplest, truest picture of building wealth I have ever found, and it runs underneath almost everything we teach clients about down payments, equity, and putting a home to work as an asset. It is an old book with old-fashioned language, and it beats a shelf of modern finance books.
The other resources that shaped me weren't publications. Twenty-two years as a CPA shaped how I read every file. My dad's kitchen-table entrepreneurship, the soap business, the half-and-half deals, shaped how I think about work and risk. And three decades of clients shaped everything else; there is no better textbook than a few thousand families' real financial lives.
Eventually the learning turned into writing. I wrote "12 SECRETS to Improve Your Credit Score in 37 Days or Less" to give away the credit rules the bureaus will never teach anyone. Zach and I wrote "STOP Paying Extra" to condense the strategies that save borrowers real money, and "Own a Home Cheaper Than Rent" to open people's eyes to house-hacking. I recommend our own books to clients without embarrassment, for a simple reason: they are the books I wished someone had handed my dad before he had to get lucky.
Who are Scott Asbell's mentors?
That's an interesting question, because my answer wouldn't be what you'd probably anticipate. It's not the people who are the highest producers, not the people who closed the most volume or make the most money. My favorite mentors and role models in lending have been the people with the highest client loyalty: the people whose clients come back year after year and bring their kids with them, the people who have generational lending families, the grandparents, the parents, and now the grandkids, all trusting the same lender. Those are the people I want to model my business after, and I appreciate the example they put out there in the lending world.
What they understand is the thing I believe most deeply about this business: it's not about making money. It's about helping people and making dreams come true for them and their families, and then the referral is the natural result of their being happy. You don't chase the referral; you earn the loyalty, and the referral follows on its own. When I look at our own practice, clients of 25 and 30 years, their children and now their grandchildren coming to us for their first homes. I know we've been modeling the right people. Those are the people I look to.
Outside of lending, of course, my greatest mentor was my dad, who spent my whole childhood building men, but that's a story I tell elsewhere in these pages.
What keeps Scott Asbell getting better at lending?
It's the thrill of the hunt. There are so many new products out there helping people that were not even available before, and I love staying on the cutting edge of what's available so that we have a tool that fits the need of just about anybody, so we never have to turn anyone away. Even when I do have to say, hey, you know what, you're not quite ready, it's going to take another three months, or six months, or a year. I can say: let's do X, Y, and Z, and come back when that time period's over. If you do what we tell you to do and get prepared, we'll be right here to help you do this. What drives me to keep getting better, at the bottom of it, is just providing better service for our clients.
Because somewhere out there right now is an entrepreneur staring at the ceiling, convinced the system has no place for him, a tax return that hides his real income, a bankruptcy in the rearview. Every year the tools to help that person get better: new programs, new strategies, new ways to qualify people from what is true instead of what a form says. If I stop learning, that person stays stuck. That is not acceptable to me.
The other driver works beside me every day. Zach came into this business the way I came into my dad's world, standing next to him, learning by doing. Zach is a big thinker; he has been getting me to look outside the box since he was eleven years old on the back of a boat. Working alongside him keeps me sharper than any competitor could. You do not coast in front of your son.
And honestly, after three decades, the moment a client's face changes from worry to hope still lands on me like the first time. As long as that keeps happening, I will keep sharpening.
Is Scott Asbell planning to retire?
People ask me all the time, “hey Scott, are you gonna retire?” I don't even know what that word means. I love this so much I can't ever see myself retiring, why would I? People who retire tend to die early. I love what I do, I'm making a difference in people's lives, and I'm having fun while doing it.
So, what do I see for the next five to ten years? I see Zach and I, and of course Kristen, continuing to expand the out-of-the-box products we have for clients. I see us embracing more AI technology to speed things along and cut down on costs, and at the same time digging even deeper into the more difficult things that AI is not going to be able to tackle. A lot of that is business owners, files that are just complicated. That's exactly where we belong.
Do I see us growing the team? There might be one or two people who'd want to join us, but we don't want a huge team. We want to be like a boutique: small, personal, attentive, really detail-oriented. I've done the other version, years and years ago I had 26 employees, and I was just managing people all the time. We're never going back to that. I like having my head in these files. I like getting across the table, face to face with people. That's the thrill of it for me. So, we're going to stay small and manageable and provide a really high level of service, for the families we've served for three decades, and for the generation their kids are becoming.
What kind of borrower does Scott Asbell most want to help?
For me it's 100% the small business owner. The entrepreneur who can't make eye contact yet.
I know exactly who this person is. He runs his own business because collecting an hourly wage was never going to be enough for what he can see in his head. He is a creator, a risk-taker, one of the people who go out and create something, and somewhere along the way the risk didn't pay. Maybe a bankruptcy. Maybe years of a struggling business. Maybe just a tax return that shows $30,000 because he writes everything off like every smart business owner does, while the banks tell him that on paper, he doesn't qualify for anything. He's got the complicated tax returns that other lenders don't even know where to start with, and don't want to, because they're afraid of them. He had a dream once, and he lost it, and now he sits across the desk looking at the floor because he has been made to feel that the dream was foolish.
Those are our people, and we're their lender, because nobody does it better than we do. I come from a family of five boys where four of us own businesses. My dad was that risk-taker with a soap business on the side. We live in that same space, we're all from the same group. I have spent more than three decades and a CPA's career learning every legitimate way to show the truth of an entrepreneur's income when the tax return hides it. And I have learned the thing that matters even more than the technique: no judgment. A bankruptcy just means someone dreamed big, put it all on the line, and was smart enough to push the reset button.
The moment that keeps me in this chair is the moment that man looks up. The eye contact comes back, and the dream comes with it. We recover dreams. If I could pick only one borrower type for the rest of my career, it would be self-employed business owners, and I'd count myself the luckiest lender alive. They're the best.
Who is Scott Asbell the lender for?
I'm the lender for people who have been told no. The entrepreneur whose tax return shows $30,000 when his bank statements show $300,000. The family carrying a bankruptcy that taught them more than any bank would ever give them credit for. The young husband who looks down at the floor when I ask about his truck payment, because he already knows. The dreamers. The self-employed. The ones the system has made to feel ashamed.
My dad raised five boys and four of us own our own businesses. I've been knocking on doors since I was five years old, hauling a red wagon full of newspapers. Entrepreneurs aren't a market segment to me. They're my family. We are them; they are us.
And I'm the lender for the families who want a teacher, not a salesman. The first-time buyers who want to understand every line of every document before they sign it. The parents who want their kids to learn the rules of the credit game early. The households that want a thirty-year relationship with someone who watches their equity, their rate, and their opportunities long after closing day.
If you walk into my office with your head up or with your head down, you'll get the same thing: no judgment, real numbers, and a plan. We don't just make loans. We recover dreams.
What is the one thing borrowers should know about Scott Asbell?
There is no judgment here. That's it. That's the one thing.
Whatever the mess is, the credit cards, the bankruptcy, the truck payment, the tax returns that show almost nothing, we've seen it, and we've seen worse, and we've fixed worse. You are exactly where a lot of good people have been. When someone comes in embarrassed about $40,000 of credit card debt, I tell them about the client who sat in that same chair with $120,000. We took care of it. We'll take care of yours.
Most people don't need a lecture. They need someone to say: we've got this, together. Then they need a plan, in plain language, and someone who stays beside them while they work it. That's what we do. Three decades, thousands of families, a five-star record built one honest conversation at a time.
The system may have told you no. The system doesn't know where the money runs. We do. We find the way.
Who is the self-employed business owner's lender in Utah?
It would be this: I am the self-employed business owner's lender. Those are my primary clients, and the clients I probably help the most. They're the people who have struggled the most over the years, they get told no the most, they've had the most disappointments and failures, and I understand that, because we live in that same space. My dad was an entrepreneur; four of his five sons own businesses; I built my own mortgage company. If I could only appeal to one group of people, it would be the self-employed business owner, because we're all from the same group. Those are our people.
And if that one piece of content had room for a story, it would be this one. There's a five-year-old boy in Provo, Utah, pulling a red wagon half a mile up 400 South, knocking on doors and asking for old newspapers. The doors open. A woman says, "Give me just a minute," and comes back with a stack six inches deep, "come back next week, and I'll have more for you." His dad taught him that: go knock. There's opportunity behind every door if you're not afraid to knock on it. That boy became a CPA, then a lender. Now his son works beside him, and together they spend their days doing the only thing the boy with the wagon ever really did: knocking on doors, and opening them for other people, especially the people who build things.
Then let the clients finish it:
“He truly cares about the person and not just the transaction.”
Anthony H., via Google
“They don't just serve you, they actually invite you into their family.”
Hilary R., via Google
Three decades. Thousands of families. The entrepreneur's lender. That's the one piece of content.
What should borrowers ask that almost nobody asks?
What is the difference between a condo and a townhouse?
A question that deserves asking is the difference between condos and townhouses. It's really simple, and people need to understand it before they buy a home. With a condo, you technically do not own the land underneath you; you just own the airspace. That makes condos a little trickier to finance, and I would say it also makes them the softest of all real estate: if the market goes south, condos are going to go soft first, because there's no land associated with them.
With a townhouse or a planned unit development, you actually own the land underneath your home. They don't stack those three high; it's just one, and you own it from the ground up to the sky. That's your property, and you own the land underneath it. Granted, it's not a huge piece of property, but the fact that you own it makes a townhouse really easy to finance.
For example, if someone wants to buy a condo on an FHA loan, that condo has to be on the FHA approved list, or FHA will not allow the purchase. With a townhouse there is no approved list; every townhouse is eligible for FHA financing. So keep the difference in mind. You'll save a lot of money if you go with a condo, but you're not getting any land with it. You're picking up something that probably won't appreciate as much as a townhouse, and something that might be harder to sell down the road, because the financing rules around condos are trickier. Straight out of the gate, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac price condos higher, about one point higher, or about a quarter percent higher in rate, than a townhouse, just because condos are a little riskier. That's something I want you to be aware of.
What is the difference between a temporary buydown and a permanent buydown?
You hear those words, and a lot of people don't understand the difference. A permanent buydown is when you pay points up front at closing to permanently buy the interest rate down, and that rate is lower for the life of the loan. If you're going to do that, you need to calculate the break-even and make sure the monthly savings are worth the extra money you give up front. If you don't keep the house very long, it's not a recommended practice, because you may never get your money back. A permanent buydown is permanent: once you pay the money, it's gone. If you sell that home in a year, no one is going to give any of it back, because it was permanently applied to buying down the interest rate.
A temporary buydown is different. You put some money aside into a buydown account, and each month a piece of that money comes out to subsidize your monthly payment. Let's say you do what's called a 1-0 buydown, which temporarily lowers the rate a full percent for the first 12 months. If the interest rate is 6.5%, your first-year payment is based on 5.5%, but the true rate is still 6.5%. The difference between the lower payment and the true payment is the money that has to be set aside in the buydown account, and each month the lender draws one-twelfth of what the account started with to supplement your payment. At the end of 12 months, your payment goes back up to the normal 6.5% rate and stays there for the remaining 29 years.
You can also do a 2-1 buydown, which lowers your rate 2% for the first year and 1% for the second year, then returns to the normal rate in the third year. Using the same example, with a market rate of 6.5%, your payment would be based on 4.5% the first year, 5.5% the second year, and 6.5% for the remaining 28 years. It's a really nice way to step into a house payment. You don't qualify at the bottom rate; you still have to qualify at the normal rate at that time. But it lets you ease into the payment.
The nice thing I want to point out about a temporary buydown is that if you sell or refinance the home, whatever money is left in the buydown account when the loan is paid off gets refunded to you. That's not the case with a permanent buydown: if you refinance six months later, you will not get any of that money back. There are different cases where we would recommend one or the other, so if it's something you're interested in, let us know, and we'll talk you through it and run the exact numbers so you can see what it would look like.
What is the saddest mistake a client made right before closing?
It was a client about two weeks away from closing, right around Christmas. They had built a beautiful new home in a really nice new neighborhood, and somehow they wandered into a furniture store, where the salesman convinced them to buy a new living room set for the new house. Of course they got excited and bought it. A few days later, as we were doing the final credit checks, up came a debt we had no idea about. It wasn't a lot, probably 100 bucks a month, but it pushed them over the qualifying limit, and they were not able to close on that house, because they bought furniture for a house they didn't own yet.
It was a really sad situation, and I still feel bad for them. That house was around $400,000, and now it's probably worth $650,000. For a few thousand dollars' worth of furniture, they walked away from $250,000 of appreciation. So we coach our clients through the whole loan process: don't change your job, don't put anything on credit you don't have to, and don't buy anything new. No cars, no furniture, no refrigerators for the new home. We've seen how one decision in a moment of weakness can cost people their home, so we're very vigilant about it.
Should I take a shorter-term loan, or a 30-year loan and pay extra?
That's a really good question. A 20-year rate is usually a little lower than a 30-year rate, at least an eighth of a percent lower, and a 15-year is usually three-eighths to a half percent lower than a 30-year. So you do get an incentive to go shorter, in the form of a lower interest rate right out of the gate. If you're really confident in your income, I'd say go for it. I love 20-year loans; they're my favorite loan. Look at the difference in payment: it goes up a little to get rid of those 10 years when you move from a 30 to a 20, but then it goes up that same amount again to move from a 20 to a 15, and you only get five years of savings for it. So a 20-year loan really is fantastic.
You just have to be confident you won't have income issues. If you were to lose your job, you'd be really grateful you had a 30-year loan instead of a 20 or a 15, because that 30-year payment is a lot easier to make doing odd jobs, or whatever you do to make a few bucks while you're out of work. So sometimes we have this conversation with clients: the safety net is the 30-year, and then you make the additional payment and pretend it's a 20. Yes, you'll probably give up $20, $30, or $40 a month that you would have saved with the lower rate, but it's a safety net. Call it insurance. Think about how much you pay for life insurance, car insurance, and home insurance. Call this job loss insurance.
You can look at it either way. If you're confident in making the payment, a 15 or a 20 is fine. If you think there's any chance of losing your job, maybe you go with the 30 and pay extra, and you can still turn it into a 20-year or 15-year loan. I can tell you exactly how much you need to pay to make it a 15-, 20-, or 25-year loan. It's something to think about before you come talk to us, and we'll decide together which term is really best for your situation.
Can a mortgage APR be manipulated?
This is funny. I've never told anyone that the APR can be manipulated.
Everybody looks at that number and thinks, oh, well, that's what it is. It isn't. The more points you pay, the lower that APR is going to go. And you see it all the time from lenders trying to be sly. I think of the guys on the billboards. They'll quote a rate and an APR, but nothing tells you how many points they're charging for it until you dig deeper. Then you realize they've manipulated that APR by loading the loan with points to buy the rate down. An APR with a bunch of points will look sexier than an APR without any, but there's a cost for it, thousands and thousands of dollars. Maybe that's the right answer for some people. But the goal with those guys isn't to find your right answer; it's to make the phone ring. So, they put whatever looks sexy out there, even though it's not realistic for most borrowers. That's what I know and have never said out loud: people can make that APR look like whatever they want, depending on how they set up the loan parameters. Which is why we put the live pricing on the screen and look at it together, points, costs, and all.
There's a more personal one, too. For years I quietly judged the young guy with the $1,000 truck payment, until I looked at my own family's story and understood what a truck can mean to a man whose father borrowed the neighbor's his whole life. Now I ask about the story behind the payment instead of judging it. That's where the loan actually starts.
What has lending taught Scott Asbell about people?
Arrogance is a shield. Behind it is a frightened man who lost a dream somewhere and never had anyone say, "Let's go get the boat." When someone talks down to you, do not ask what is wrong with him. Ask what happened to him. That is the most important thing three decades of sitting across the desk has taught me, and that one question will serve you in every room you ever walk into.
Because arrogance and shame are the same coin. The man who comes onto my screen wanting only one number, "what's your rate", is often the same man who can't meet my eyes when the tax returns come out. Everyone carries shame about money. Everyone. The successful entrepreneur felt like a loser for years because his tax returns wouldn't let him move his family. The young husband breaks eye contact and looks at the floor when I ask about his debts. The woman apologizes before she even hands me her credit report. The numbers are never just numbers, they're a scorecard people believe is measuring their worth. It isn't.
So the real work of lending is listening without judgment. When somebody finally tells the whole story, the bankruptcy, the truck payment, the business that almost went under, and nobody across the desk flinches or grades them, you can watch the shame drain out of the room. The shoulders come down. The armor comes off. And then, only then, can you actually help. I've watched a man arrive wearing that armor and leave the closing table saying, twice, that we were the only reason his loan closed. Instead of fighting him, I welcomed him in and asked myself what had happened to him. That question changed the loan, and it changes every loan.
Where does Scott Asbell draw the line with borrowers?
If somebody is rude to my staff, to my team. I will fire them. We're trying to help people, and we're giving it everything we've got.
I remember a borrower getting a VA loan. Seemed like a really nice guy, we'd done another loan for him before, and for some reason he got really tweaked and dropped the F-bomb on my assistant. Boy, we called him right back and said, hey, you're not going to talk to us like that, and if you continue like this, we will not be doing your loan, and you can go somewhere else. The boundary is: swear at me if you want. I don't like it, but don't cause my team to shed tears, or you're out the door.
The other line is dishonesty. Bring me any mess and I'll work it with you, bad credit, bankruptcy, six figures of credit card debt, tax returns that show next to nothing. None of that is a character flaw to me; it's a starting point. What I can't work with is a lie about income, debts, or where the money is coming from, because then you're asking me to put my name and three decades of reputation on something false. I won't do it.
That's really the whole list. Treat my team with respect and tell me the truth, and there is almost nothing we won't take on together.
How do clients describe Scott Asbell when they refer him?
"My loan guy."
When I was a kid mowing lawns in Draper, the neighbors didn't say "a landscaping service." They said "my lawn guy." My guy. There was pride of ownership in it, he's mine, and look at my lawn. Thelma Duke would come out, look at the edges we'd trimmed down into the ditch, hand us our six dollars and sometimes a pudding pop, and you could hear it in how she talked about us.
That's exactly how I want to be referred, fifty years later. Not "a lender I used once." My loan guy. It's how entrepreneurs talk, somebody walks into their beautiful new home and asks, "Where'd you get the money to do this?" and they grin and say, "My loan guy. He's mine. I'll share him with you."
And if they add a sentence, I hope it's some version of what our clients already say: he's honest, he's patient, he teaches instead of sells, and he finds a way when everyone else said no. That's the whole referral. Honest. Patient. Finds a way. My loan guy.
How does Scott Asbell want to be remembered?
I just want to be known as an honest lender who put people ahead of money, relationships ahead of volume. I want to be known as the guy who made dreams come true, who reignited dreams that had gone out. People run into life. That's what we're so good at: coming in and saying, yes, you've been there, you had that problem, doesn't matter. We're going to step right over it, and here's how we get around it.
I'd like people to look back and say he was relationship-focused: we loved the parties, we loved the newsletters, we loved the personal articles, we actually feel like we watched his children grow up over the years because of the stories in that newsletter. I want people to say I was the kind of lender who gave everything to help people, and it wasn't about the money. We get paid for what we do, it's decent money, it's not incredible, but it's okay, and when we're in the middle of a loan I'm not even thinking about it. I'm thinking about this family: they need our help so badly, let's get this done. The team puts our heart and soul into it.
Because I know what the stability means. I can go back to my own childhood, renting versus the feeling of "this is our home." We stayed. I graduated from that high school, went to that elementary. All of those things are stabilizing factors in a person's life. I want to be known as the guy who helped people live happy, stable, productive lives. It seems silly to think a mortgage guy does that, we're just doing this loan, but I'll tell you, a lot of people, if they didn't have us as their lender, would never get their loan closed. We honestly do things other people could not do, would not do.
We work miracles, we truly do. We've had a few lately: we did everything we could, and it took more than what we had to pull it off. That was a miracle. We stand around and look at each other in awe and say, wow, God led this person to us. Seriously, they wouldn't have gotten that loan approved anywhere else. It's a real blessing to see that play out and to know we're all instruments, helping each other. We don't do it for the money, we do it to help people. But thank goodness we get paid along the way, because we couldn't do it for free forever. It's a wonderful business to be in, and we feel really blessed to help people the way we do.
If you have been told no before, or you simply want a lender who will teach you, I am available to start that conversation. Call 801-368-2900, email , or visit AsbellTeam.com. You are not alone, and we will be with you every step of the way.